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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:19 pm

No. I was saying that I don't how they did back him. There was obviously no secret abnout the actual words he spoke.

A shame our Liverpool friends aren't posting, because I wonder how the clubs fans feel.

I don't think much has been made in the media about Liverpool's support of their player.

Interesting to see what happens to JT now, given that in my opinion, what Suarez has said is much worse, yet JT finds himself subject to an actual criminal prosecution. I think Terry will find himself cleared of criminal charges (well he should be) and perhaps given a token ban from football... which should really be less than the 8 matches, unless the FA will use that as a standard ban for any discrimination on the pitch (no matter the severity).
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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:33 pm

TickTok wrote:
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Does Suarez's actions harm English football?

First of all, he is not an English player.

Second, haven't the English governing bodies dealt with this well? A well considered case, published and as you say watertight.... and a harsh but fair punishment?

The only thing that I can see that will hurt English football, is Liverpool football clubs support of the player. I do not see how they can support him given the direct quotes that Suarez has clearly made.


Are you suggesting they should wash their hands of him and move him on?


Some of the reporters out of Boston think that may well be the case. John Henry has a pretty Liberal attitude regarding racial equality and this could hurt the Boston Red Sox as well as Liverpool. The Red Sox under Henry have been involved in many inner-city initiatives as well as work honouring the career of Jackie Robinson, the first black major league baseball player. So it is possible that he could have something to say about it.

It will be interesting to see Liverpool and Dalglish's next move and whether they will appeal or not. Feelings on the Liverpool forums are still running very high in support of Suarez and they feel that it is a case of one man's word against another, and that the Independent Panel took Evrs'a word because he was more composed and consistent. There could be a backlash among their fan base if Liverpool accept the ban and you wonder if Dalglish is too far out on a limb to back down now?

We could use the Liverpool supporters opinions into this issue here.


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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:25 pm

I don't understand how any self-respecting human being could back Suarez in this case. He has admitted to saying things that normal people would consider incredibly insulting.

How is it one man's word against another when Suarez had admitted to using the words stated in the case file?
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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:22 am

A lot of Liverpool fans see it as one man's word against another because they have accepted Suarez's slant on the incident. That he only used the word in question once and it was said in a friendly or conciliatory fashion. That the panel completely discounted Suarez's explanation doesn't hold any water with the supporters of Suarez.

As for Terry I suspect that he will be acquitted in the criminal case, as the burden of proof is much higher there than in a civil case, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence that we know about in this case. Suarez was found guilty on the "balance of probability" - a lower standard than the criminal standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt".

The real problem for the FA is what do they do then? Decide that the Law has already dealt with the situation and do nothing? Charge Terry and if they find him guilty, use the same reasoning behind the Suarez case. That if the ref had acted it would have been a red card and a two game suspension, then double it to four games because it was a racial incident? Suarez suspension was doubled again because he used the term more than once. At least that seems to be how the came to an eight game suspension.

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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:35 am

This might stir a couple of people if so, apologies all round but....I don't see that Liverpool have done much wrong...

By this what I mean is before there was any actual ruling, they just showed support for their player who they trusted. I think Liverpool acted in a genuine fashion. I would however have liked to have seen some kind of inside punishment from Liverpool too...a token fine or something, just to show they have accepted the events.
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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:14 am

chelseaforthedrop wrote:
This might stir a couple of people if so, apologies all round but....I don't see that Liverpool have done much wrong...

By this what I mean is before there was any actual ruling, they just showed support for their player who they trusted. I think Liverpool acted in a genuine fashion. I would however have liked to have seen some kind of inside punishment from Liverpool too...a token fine or something, just to show they have accepted the events.


Liverpool handled the whole situation poorly, they attacked Evra personally calling him a liar because he had previous form and in suggesting he had made it all up because he was angry about the kick in the knee.

Liverpool’s director of football Damien Comolli and Dirk Kuyt, were forced to alter their testimony because of contradictions in earlier written statements. It seemed that they told the referee and fourth official one thing at the conclusion of the game and when they first testified they had changed their story to agree with what Suarez had said. When they were confronted with their earlier statements they were forced to alter their statements.

It was also a mistake to allow all their players to become involved in the dispute when they controversially wore T-shirts supporting Suarez against Wigan a fortnight ago.

Liverpool and Dalglish in particular have come off badly in this. They have made it a personal vendetta against Manchester United. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and they will accept the ban and move on. It will only get worse for Liverpool if they appeal and since the feeling is that it is Dalglish that is the driving force behind this, if the backlash gets any worse, it could result in Dalglish losing his job.

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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:46 am

I didn't know a lot of that which pretty much voids my earlier statement... I was referring to the T-shirt thing, I thought it was fair enough to support a colleague until you know for sure he's guilty but in light of what you've said Red, it seems they have indeed done a lot wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:52 am

What I find the most troubling about Liverpool's stance on this is, they must have known how damning the evidence Evra was giving as their player was admitting to alot of the dialogue between the two players.

It does seem to be, because of who the player accusing Suarez was, Liverpool expected his cry wolf reputation, would be enough, not to take his word seriously.

When you think back to the times Dalglish prompted the FA to act quicker as he and the club wanted to move on and remove the cloud over their players head, you really have to question his leadership during this period.

As far as the T shirts go, I just wonder how many of those players knew all the evidence before pulling it on.

Clarke Carlisle, Chairman of the Management Committee of the Professional Footballers' Association, pretty much exonerated any of the shirt wearers by saying just that, in answering if he would have worn the T Shirt had he been a member of the Liverpool squad.

Red's interesting angle on how the owners might view this is something I had not thought about. I do get the feeling up to now in their ownership, they are very much being led by those already at the club and I just wonder if this is an opportunity for them to make a stance in showing who are the real decision makers.

To move Suarez on in this window would bring them universal credit around not only the football world, but those who have fort these causes for decades.

Obviously those Liverpool fans who still believe in Suarez might find that decision to much to accept, after all, Suarez is their best player by some margin.

Again, I just hope my club handle our episode far better and we get a favourable decision.


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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:04 am

So Liverpool have decided not to appeal.

I was surprised by the aggressiveness of the Liverpool and Suarez's statements and by the Dalglish press conference. There is no acceptance of the verdict let alone an admission of guilt, there is no apology to Evra or to the game of football for the damage that has been caused by this incident. There is just a sense that Liverpool feel that they and Suarez has done nothing wrong and that they both have been stitched up. Hence, there is no sense in fighting this any longer because the FA is corrupt and will automatically come out against the interests of Liverpool and it's players.

I can't see this being the end. The press reaction tonight and tomorrow to Liverpool and Suarez's statements and Dalglish's press conference should be scathing. Surely the FA will have something to say.

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PostSubject: Re: 8 match ban for Liverpool player   Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:56 pm

Liverpool are still not having it ~ They may have accepted the punishment, but have done so with all the grace of a Ku Klux Klan representative.

What this Dalglish speaks of, but wont speak of?

Something seriously not right in speaking like this ~ If you have evidence that wasnt taken into account, spill the beans"

If not, keep your mouth shut.


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Darren Bent linked with Liverpool ~ I wonder how he feels about that?

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